Nappist questions, "It's a ladder pull. A better question is: Should OOC rewards be allowed for IC rewards at all?"
Jamie is idle.
Famine claims, "I'm not sure about this myself. 500 doesn't really add up to that much overall when you're figuring in stat costs, etc."
Crayon states, "Stats and appearance are a big RP XP sink, too."
Ruby claims, "I think it wouldn't change much. Most of my RPXP comes from just existing."
Gwen says, "That would only seem viable if it was all reset and refunded so everything was equal for players going forward. We already have a certain level of what I'd politely suggest is sort of 'ladder-pulling' with the increased wounds for combat. I feel it's going to be harder to raise combat skills as opposed to those who already have them high. This would feel like another form of that."
Famine states, "And skills cost exponentially more as they get higher"
Emberly inquires, "I haven't earned anything for Karma >.< But if it's lowered now, then the others had an advantage?"
Murrmurs nods with Famine.
Murrmurs says, "And the KP flow is generally going to continue to slow down."
Nappist nods at Gwen.
Ash states, "I think it's probably best to pull the ladder at two and a half weeks post-creation than once it's gotten been used extensively, if we ladder pull at all."
Murrmurs claims, "---AND I also really like the XP flow on the side as part of the game.... As opposed to having to RP for years to build up enough of a tank to do stat improving on a character."
Ode nods at Ash.
NotChloe states, "Late to say 500xp is low when you start improving stats."
Petal claims, "But if 500 is too high, and we all are getting to GM in a couple of weeks of play... then the longer we leave it to adjust the more of a problem it will be."
Murrmurs nods with Ash.
Gwen states, "If karma and spent XP could be refunded so it was always worth 250, I would agree with that suggestion."
zombilicious says, "With the amount of ways you can earn karma, including just giving recommends and receiving recommends, you can net quite a bit. 500 XP for one recommend does feel like a lot -- but at the same time, it probably shows you're contributing in some manner."
Gwen claims, "But basically giving earlier players a huge boost would otherwise not sit well with me personally."
Ruby says, "Could limit how recommends function."
Andruid wonders, "Who is upset about having people who can do more difficult things?"
Ruby states, "I.e. Not allowed to recommend within the same faction before X amount of time has passed, or at all. So you'd have to get out of your circle to get them."
Murrmurs nods with andruid's query.
Stitch states, "I think upset's a strong word, but scarcity of skill and relative rarity of grandmaster and best-of-the-best-of-the-best characters is a good thing, personally."
Gwen says, "That's equating it to something it's not, Andruid. It's the fact that later players won't have the same opportunities for leadership already with there already being establishments in place."
Gwen states, "Almost every game like this has an issue with established PCs dominating the scene. I don't want to make entrenchment that much deeper, personally."
Andruid asks, "I think we've already passed that bar?"
Gwen states, "I want new players to be able to come in and feel the same opportunities anyone else did."
Murrmurs says, "...A gentler option than doing a big change: Cap how much KP can be gained from given recommends in a week."
zombilicious claims, "I don't factor skill into 'leadership opportunities', admittedly."
Murrmurs claims, "Incoming is its own pool."
zombilicious states, "Oh, a cap on KP would be nice."
Famine says, "Personally, I've never really agreed with the ladder pulling arguments. There's a ceiling everyone eventually reaches. Taking a little longer to get there than someone before doesn't inherently ruin opportunities."
Andruid states, "I think 500 XP is fine, no problem with people speeding up the ladder as fast as they can go."
Murrmurs nods with Heck.
Eli states, "I mean recommends dont happen unless admins act on it anyway"
Ode nods at Famine.
Petal states, "I think the bigger question is, is 500xp too much or not. If it is, then it is better to do something sooner than later."
NotChloe says, "Limiting rec kp will limit recs"
Murrmurs states, "XP isn't zero sum."
Ash nods at Petal.
Emberly wonders, "Speed up the ladder, test things out, this is all beta anyway. When we hit alpha, those costs could be adjusted with a Pwipe?"
Andruid claims, "Stats are costly."
Petal states, "We are only a couple of weeks in. And we're still in beta."
Ash states, "Okay, the topic is: Is 500xp too much per KP"
Andruid states, "Most people focus on skills first."
zombilicious claims, "500 is 5 inept ranks, or roughly 1 adept rank."
Ruby states, "I don't think it's a problem myself, more of a 'what-if' kind of suggestion. And what Andruid said, it's 30000 RPXP just to get from 70 to 80."
Daniel claims to Ash, "Not at all. 500 is a drop in the bucket, especially late game."
Evangeline claims, "Um... wea re doing a pwipe? Oh god."
Ash massages temples.
Andruid states, "And I'm assuming that there will be accidents. People will die."
zombilicious claims, "So needing that extra dump of 500XP matters more for those not RPing at higher ranks than those at lower ones."
NotChloe asks, "I think 500 is fine personally, its a nice amount sure but like, as long as people still rp does it matter toooooo much?"
Sarah states, "I kinda wish there was a bit more of a challenge for me, my character seems to be improving really rapidly"
Gwen claims, "I don't necessarily think it's too much but I'm also not familiar with this system and haven't done much math. I'm just opposed to what I perceive as ladder pulling."
Andruid claims, "Some skills are definitely easier to raise than others, though."
Stitch claims, "Karma has definitely made it so I never have to worry about being out of XP for skills; that feels nice, right? If you want to focus on skills and/or stats, you get to. It feels good. I'm still running afoul by trying to get 3 skills to grandmaster at once. I've only twice ever not had XP, and since spamming karma->Xp, I've never failed to have XP for a pool, but it is tight."
Ode states, "I don't think it's too much, but I also don't log gin as much as some people."
Stitch asks, "...this is probably with top-10-activity, though?"
Petal states, "It's not so much just 500xp, but rather... like if you recommend 3 people from RP, submit a couple of bugs, a couple of typos and an idea. That's like 4000xp."
DeeTwo states, "And home."
DeeTwo muses, "What's this ooc niche thing?"
Ash says, "Lets try to stay on topic"
NotChloe claims, "Karma xp is also amazing for people with limited play time for rp."
Sarah questions to Ash, "Would it be totally wild to increase the app score cap again so that's more of a potential sink?"
NotChloe claims, "If you lower it it hurts those people more."
Andruid states, "Karma XP is also bonus XP."
Andruid claims, "Which means you don't get it back when you die."
Murrmurs nods. "I think it's a bit of a non-issue, and is only problematic from the standpoint of gating game progression to XP via playtime.
Crayon states, "More RP XP sinks would make it a nonissue, yeah."
Sarah claims to Andruid, "Oh thats true, yeah"
Rue says, "I like the rates. More sinks for Karma and XP sinks might be good though."
Ash nods at Murrmurs.
DeeTwo claims, "I was driving."
Murrmurs states, "But plenty of characters idle around in public locales and get to legendary gain then just sit."
Stitch claims, "That's very unusually and isn't matching my score death XP"
Crayon states, "Not necessarily app score (though 10 is a sick number), but I think Sarah's on the right general track."
Nappist inquires, "Should OOC rewards be allowed for IC rewards at all, or should OOC rewards only be used for OOC benefits?"
Ash says to Murrmurs, "Well that's a crappy thing to do that I think should be corrected."
Petal claims, "That's a bit offtopic Nappist."
Crayon claims, "Instead of pulling the ladder could just extend it a bit."
Murrmurs says, "That XP gain is providing way less than the 500 gained by doing something with KP, I mean to say"
Jamie has returned from AFK.
Nappist states, "Truth."
Sarah nods at Crayon.
Murrmurs says, "---I just mean to point out that folks will try to maximize XP gain, and KP improve isn't the worst thing."
Crayon says, "Nappist the IC component is already required to pool to use the XP."
zombilicious claims, "I suppose I feel like having 6500 RPxp for doing nothing IC is a bit unhealthy for the game overall, but it's possible I am one of the few who feels this way."
Lance states, "How can you prove they're intentionally doing that? I know I personally go afk relatively often doing homework, but I'm not gaming the system, I'm just multitasking, occasionally-poorly."
Evangeline says, "I don't even have 6500 xp, wow."
Emberly muses, "How does someone gain that much from doing nothing?"
zombilicious states, "If I turn my KP for things like typos and recipes into RPxp, I have 6500."
Eli has lost link.
Eli has reconnected.
Ash states, "Flagging yourself AFK is how you prove you're not doing that, as while AFK you don't absorb XP from other people's efforts."
zombilicious claims, "I have 13 KP."
Ronin claims, "I have 1385, and I feel I gain at a fair rate."
NotChloe says, "6500 for doing nothing ic feels like an outlier. Also typos wont always exist."
Famine claims, "I think one of the reasons I don't worry about people getting a bunch of XP is because there's the inherent bottleneck of having to pool a skill to raise it with that xp."
Famine claims, "So you're still working for it."
Nappist nods at Famine.
Ash inquires, "So, lets do a vote on the topic: 500xp per kp conversion rate, too high, just right, or unfussed?"
Ode nods at Famine.
Sarah says, "I go into the background in scenes when i cant think of anything interesting to say/do sometimes and just want to spectate"
zombilicious states, "Unfussed."
Ruby states, "Just right, Ash."
Eli says, "Unfussed"
Ode claims, "Just right"
Lance states, "Lowkey I didn't realize you even -get- xp from other people doing stuff around you."
Jennifer is idle.
NotChloe states, "My vote is just right"
Andruid claims, "Unfussed / think it's fine."
Ronin says, "Just right."
Murrmurs says, "Unfussed."
Evangeline claims, "Unfussed."
Scarlet says, "Unfussed."
Mutters claims, "Unfussed"
Jamie says, "Unfussed"
Emberly states, "Unfussed"
Nappist states, "Unfussed, but if it were to be changed it would be part of a wider set of systematic changes, which would be a pain."
Lance says, "Unfussed"
zombilicious claims to Lance, "You do! Your RPxp Gain goes up the moment you're in a room with other players, it's very nice."
Andruid says, "I want people to have all the XP. Live your dreams, die magnificently."
Rue has lost link.
Rue has reconnected.
Crayon says, "Unfussed."
Sarah states, "Unfussed"
Sarah grins at Andruid.
Evangeline states, "Live big xp rpxp bigger."
Murrmurs claims, "Die at 30 rec to recycle XP back into the ecosystem."
Ash claims, "Okay, I think we're largely unfussed. Lets leave it."
DeeTwo says, "I always afk when there are a ton of people"
Ash declaims, "Next up iiiis: Misty!"
NotChloe states, "Instructions unclear, ruined mt dreams and lived in boringness"
Sarah claims, "I havent been oocly bothered by people just hanging out while the rest of us rp around them and jumping in when they feel like it, but i havent got the impression theyre intentionally just leeching rpxp"
Sarah says, "Just quiet mode"
Ash nods at Sarah.
Andruid says, "I have totally gone quiet mode. Or RP-through-Dog mode."
Ode nods at Sarah.
Misty claims, "Mine is pretty quick actually. Been struggling a little with the plant system, I'm trying to find out which ones I can plant in the very limited space we even have, and they tell you a temperature in the plant list, but there's no way currently to know it? At least as far as I'm concerned."
zombilicious claims, "I suppose it would depend on if they're always in quiet mode, or sporadically in quiet mode."
Evangeline pets dogs
Ash states, "I think that's okay to do, some people take longer to write emotes than others as well or contribute in other ways through hemotes, NPCs, so on. If it seems like something that's routine with the same person it might be iffy enough to look at. Best judgment."
zombilicious says to Misty, "In Freezing, anything at 0 can be planted."
DeeTwo claims, "Sometimes I get called away from my phone, or my boss comes by, or I get asked a question irl"
Sarah claims to zombilicious, "Yeah like if i try to engage someone and they just ignore it that'd be weird"
Evangeline says, "I get called away too. Oof"
zombilicious claims to Misty, "I've found that nothing above 0 can be, and at Unbearably Cold, nothing can be. But it's all been trial-and-error. It would be nice to have something slightly more concrete."
Andruid states, "I'm behind everyone by about a week, so it's been a lot to absorb. Actually, I'm impressed by how well some folks have adapted who aren't even as familiar with the cobebase as I am."
Evangeline says, "Andruid the dog is beauitful. 😃"
Misty says, "That's what I'm asking for I suppose. I just like, have been buying seeds and testing the ground otherwise. I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to know the temperature otherwise when an exact number ration of 25-50 for example is the state I'm able to plant it in."
Andruid claims, "A thermometer in the plaza might be kinda cool."
zombilicious says, "Can we get one of those fancy mercury thermometers with the little floaty bulbs to check world temps. My nan used to have one."
Ash claims, "Also happens RE: RL distractions. There's a big difference between somebody responding and then something RL distracts them and they don't have the opportunity to hit IAW or AFK for a moment and somebody walking into a room, doing nothing, staying the whole time in the window doing nothing, ignoring the emotes people direct at them, then leaving when the scene clears out."
NotChloe says, "I once spent a scene dancing in the background like a weirdo. 10/10 would do again."
zombilicious claims, "Boreatic or something."
Emberly says, "Would be nice to have some potted plants, like maybe 1-2 allowed at a time, idk"
Ash states, "So, PLANTS."
zombilicious says, "Yes, potted plants would also be nice."
DeeTwo says, "I've done that too. I have to leave my phone or something and when I get back everyone has cleared out"
Misty claims, "Also, the whole greenhouse situation is something I'd love to have or... idk. It mentions it in the plant list... and me want."
zombilicious says, "I put my greenhouse plans on hold because it snowed IC and it felt wrong OOC to push forward when there's snow everywhere, so anything that allows for something slightly easier would be great."
zombilicious states, "Though Linnea is still hoping to get a public one erected in Massey at some point."
Ash claims, "Raising herbalism is insanely fast using plants, but it seems not at all during winter. I think we do need a greenhouse. Phomes being shifted into something that can be built by request will likely help there as well."
Evangeline asks if we could weld shovels.
Ronin claims, "On the subject of distractions, I had wanted to put forth the idea of an emergency in-scene afk command of some sort that lets folks know you had something come up quickly and will try to BRB."
Petal muses, "Greenhouses used to be a craftable item. Is that doable with the glass scraps we have?"
Scarlet claims, "I'd say if anyone is ever worried about someone being too quiet, say something to them (IC) and they likely won't be quiet anymore xD"
DeeTwo says, "I often don't have time to hit any sort of command"
Scarlet says, "I've been doing it all wrong, ash. I've been trying to raise it with crafting."
Murrmurs states to Ronin, "AFK and IAW or the commands that handle that."
Ash says, "Oh god yeah don't do that. I mean you CAN, but eeesh."
Scarlet says, "Good to know, though. I'l have to try out tending some plants."
Emberly has gone IAW.
Emberly has returned from IAW.
Ash says, "I think winter makes it hard to do it the standard way all the same"
Ronin inquires, "IAW?"
Murrmurs states, "In Another Window"
Sarah says, "Slightly off topic but i really like how aware of the weather/season everyone has been rping on here, keeping the hard survival vibes going"
Evangeline says, "Away ... or that."
Ronin declaims, "Ah!"
Ash nods at Sarah.
Andruid nods at Sarah.
Misty says, "Greenhouse would be great too because we really only have like ... 3 tiles worth of farmable land in the community at any given time. And that's really quite low. That's all."
NotChloe has gone insane
Ash claims to Ronin, "You can set a reason with AFK/IAW too if it helps. AFK MY HOUSE IS ON FIRE"
NotChloe has gone AFK.
Ash nods at Misty.
NotChloe has returned from AFK.
zombilicious states, "I suppose I'll get a jump on that public greenhouse sooner, since we are slacking on having plantable spaces."
Lance claims, "IAW GOOGLING HOW TO PUT OUT HOUSEFIRES"
Ronin has gone AFK.
Misty states, "Thank you, sorry if it seemed annoyed or whatever"
zombilicious states, "And a lot of the more useful plants require one."
Ronin has returned from AFK.
Ash grins at Lance.
DeeTwo claims, "If it becomes required to have to either participate in scenes or do afk every time without being able to let auto afk happen I will not be able to play :/"
Andruid states to Ash, "No one can see it but staff."
Famine has gone AFK.
Ronin says, "Gotcha. Sorry, didn't know."
Murrmurs says to Ash, "Flashbacks to hitting 'afk neighbor house on fire' for real"
Famine has returned from AFK.
Sarah exclaims, "Dear sir/madam. fire! fire!"
Misty claims, "Me and zomb out here trying to build a god damn garden LOL"
Emberly says, "The Oaks is plantable also"
Ash says, "'afk explosion'"
Eli says, "Brb catfishing"
Jamie claims, "Afk i hear screaming and i don't know why"
Heck states, "Brb, instructions unclear, dick stuck in ceiling fan"
zombilicious states, "Oaks is, though I tend to plant only flowers in there. Someone's put in something else at least."
Andruid says, "The reason only shows up in tells, iirc."
Evangeline laughs harder
Ronin states, "If AFK or IAW showed its reason to the room that would work for what I have needed to do."
NotChloe states, "0118999 881999119 725"
zombilicious states, "There's also one place outside on the grid with zombies that's plantable."
NotChloe claims, "3"
Emberly states, "Imma shadow farmer, i creeps in the middle of the night and tend yo plants"
Misty states, "True, but given the 10 limit per space, it's quite small, I think."
Evangeline states, "A zombie farmer"
Ash says, "I think it's okay to just not join a scene if you can't RP; they're for RP. Stuff will always come up that requires just not responding for a minute and if it's an emergency it's not likely you'll be able to type 'afk.' Just try to be courteous to the people around you and do it when you can."
Misty says, "Hence, greenhouse."
zombilicious says to Misty, "I have dozens of seeds. Too many seeds. So many seeds. plz halp. drowning in seeds."
Misty claims, "I KNOW ME TOO OKAy"
Misty says, "Me farm girl. Me like to farm."
zombilicious says, "I had to get a cabinet exclusively for my seeds."
Evangeline had to go afk yesterday and couldn't say anything because Mom literally called her and flails*
zombilicious says, "It'd be nice if we could have potted herbs and stuff. Like kitchen herbs."
Evangeline says, "I will buy some herbs to cook with zomb."
Emberly declaims, "Yeah! potted herbs! potted weed!"
zombilicious states, "I feel like that would take some of the strain off of having a 10 plant limit."
DeeTwo says, "Often I intend to join a scene and then after posting a few shitty lines I get pulled away irl or have surprise meetings or something and need to put my phone down or get fired and then I get back and everyone has cleared out"
Misty claims, "Potted plants would be so fucking adorable."
Andruid says, "There are a lot of seeds for kitchen herbs, just not a lot of places or opportunity to plant them yet seems like."
zombilicious states, "If you had your herbies in a more convenient place."
Ode says, "I think we did have potted plants in AE. Can't remember how that wordke"
Emberly declares, "Potted flowers!"
NotChloe claims, "Let us use spare seeds for edible scrap recipe."
Petal struggles to keep up with multiple topics at once.
Sarah states to Ode, "Crafting recipe with the 'transplanted' form of the plant"
Evangeline declaims, "I remember that!"
Jennifer has left the game.
Ash says to DeeTwo, "Sounds like you're doing eveyrthing you can. I'd say you're good."
Misty says, "Thanks for listening, sorry for ranting."
Heck claims, "Could throw in a recipe for granola bars that uses various seeds and some other stuff."
Evangeline claims, "I think they ahve one."
zombilicious uses the fruit dish for that.
zombilicious states, "There's not currently a granola bar."
zombilicious claims, "But I can design one."
DeeTwo claims to Ash, "I mean I'm probably who they're complaining about thinking I'm trying to exploit the system. Idek the system."
Andruid says, "I think we're just in a rough spot because the game started in autumn."
zombilicious claims, "We have millet feed, nuts, seeds, and fruit."
Sarah states to zombilicious, "Field snack from stardew"
Ash claims to DeeTwo, "Oh jeez, no, I don't think anyone thinks that at all about you."
Evangeline states, "Omgomgomg, stardew"
Emberly says, "I got a question, How are we all wiping out butts out here. 'cause I know covid proved humanity can be animals about toilet paper when anything seems to threaten the production of it. "
Misty claims, "I want to replicate Stardew in this game basically. Why I like farms LOL"
Evangeline giggles and smirks in turns. 8hoards toilet paper*
Andruid states, "Lmao."
Murrmurs muses, "Are we done with this topic?"
Evangeline states, "Oh my god I died."
NotChloe states, "My in game fantasy is not having to worry about toilet stufd."
DeeTwo states to Ash, "Good because I will eat them."
Ash states, "Okay so, Misty topic: Phomes by request for garden spaces should resolve a good bit and shift some of the more established people out of the community garden thus opening it up for newer folks to have the space to use more freely, somebody's working on a community greenhouse."
Famine states, "Time to plant parsnips"
zombilicious adds 'community greenhouse' and 'granola bar recipe' to her To Do List.
Misty says, "Yes, thank you."
Petal muses, "Would we be able to get greenhouses as craftable items back again?"
Emberly exclaims, "To DeeTwo I don't think anyone thinks that about you! "
Ash claims, "Next up iiiis: zombilicious"
zombilicious states, "It's true, once I have a phome, I'll be moving on."
Evangeline exclaims, "Zombie lady!"
Ash nods at zombilicious.
Famine inquires, "May I pose a question on the subject of greenhouses?"
Famine says, "Before we move on"
zombilicious declares, "Please!"
NotChloe states, "Sorry Famine, they cannot be bluehouses."
Emberly whispers, "How to change saysspeech to have pretty colors too?"
Andruid claims to Emberly, "Petal is an expert."
zombilicious states, "Famine speaks in non-English."
zombilicious claims, "Famine is using the IC French, specifically."
Famine muses, "So folks mentioned really liking seasonal stuff so far. How do you feel about not having the ability to plant seasonal stuff year round and kinda having to stick to just regular planting/farm style?"
Emberly states, "Ah it's pretty"
Ash says, "That's how it currently works"
Misty claims, "Thats fine, just having a greenhouse to plant in other spaces would also be neat,"
Ode states, "Yeah you can't plant in frozen ground"
Murrmurs says, "I love that concept, Famine."
Ronin states, "I feel like seasonal crops is sufficiently realistic and difficult. Love it. I think we need greenhouses with that."
zombilicious says, "They do go into hibernation, but the plant remains viable."
Sarah nods at Famine.
Murrmurs states, "Particularly with there being recipes for storage."
Famine claims to Ash, "I'm mostly asking because we have hothouse flags. Mostly just asking if we'd rather stay away from those eventually too."
Petal muses, "Can plants be ripped up, if they're not viable at that time of the year?"
Sarah says, "My topic is sort of on that note too"
zombilicious claims, "Yes, plants can be uprooted"
Ash states, "I think we're on zombilicious' topic if you're ready z."
zombilicious declares, "I am!"
Evangeline claims, "I can speak this too, muhha"
Helpfile for Purchase
purchase <status> <rank/level>
Purchase allows you to modify your character's status, listed below (see their
individual helpfiles for more information).
Type purchase to see what can be purchased. To use purchase, type purchase
Note that height, weight, and goal can all be purchased outside of chargen, but
it is expected you'll purchase a class and age in chargen. Purchase skill only
works while in chargen.
The following use the purchase command:
class : see help class
weight : see help weight
birthdate : see help birthdate and help year
goal : see help goal
influence : see help improve
skills : see help purchase skill
karma_skill: see help purchase karma_skill
swap : see help swapstats
appearance : see help appearance
origin : see help purchase origin
surname : sets your character's surname
optin : willingness to partake in random Staff events
It is possible, outside of chargen, to purchase a skill down. Doing so
outside of chargen will not reimburse XP spent.
See also: BIRTHDATE, CLASS, GOAL, WEIGHT, HEIGHT, PURCHASE SKILL, YEAR
(Subject area: creation Last modified: Tue Oct 4 11:27:36 2022)
Multiple instances of that helpfile exist. See also:
creation Birthdate creation Goal creation Purchase Optin
creation Purchase Origi creation Swapstats creation Year
creation purchase skill
Murrmurs states, "I do agree with the folks getting grow space as being good, but in my head, but the idea of 50 hothouses and gardens in a 2 city block safe area breaks the head a bit."
Emberly claims, "I do like seasonal planting though, but having a little hothouse would be nice, the hothouse could be limited size"
Crayon nods at murr.
Emberly claims, "Seeing one community hothouse would be good enough i think 🙂"
Digital is idle.
zombilicious claims, "Okay, my topic is about Large Recipe Offerings. Before I knew we had crochet recipes -- Ash, you heathen -- I was sitting down to design 20 new recipes and items to go with the crochet hook prop we've found. I've never suggested a Large Quantity of recipes before, with my largest Idea Note only having 2 recipes in it, so I was curious how you wanted Large Quantities handled (if I find some other thing to make 20 recipes about in the future)."
Andruid says, "I was going to say, some way for carpenters to help build greenhouses would be cool... but I wouldn't want every other room to be a greenhouse."
Petal muses, "Mmmm. Would this be something where we should have a kinda allotment for growing outside of the town?"
Murrmurs declaims, "And may eventually undermine the scarcity-oriented nature of the PvE setting. Okaaay done now that we're on zomb topic!"
zombilicious claims, "I'm not doing crochet anymore, because we have them, but it feels like something other people might benefit from as well."
Evangeline adds, "We could have hot houses in our homes, though, right?"
zombilicious claims to Evangeline, "Yes."
Evangeline claims, "Ahem, sorry."
Evangeline grins at zomb.
Crayon claims, "I've been doing them in google docs with blurbs for the items and crafts involved, Zombo, but good question."
zombilicious states, "I just want a public greenhouse for newbies at some point, since we don't already have it."
Murrmurs claims, "I've shared via linked google docs before for long lists."
Emberly nods at zombilicious.
Petal claims, "I tend to submit 1 or 2 crafts in a note, but more than that and I google doc it."
Ash states to zombilicious, "Usually bulk recipes are created for the 'mat' recipes in crafting trees, so like in cooking there's chopped fruit which is used extensively throughout the rest of the tree. That'll be getting used constantly and not for any specific purpose, so a bulk recipe alleviates having to do it 500 times. For the specific object recipes we don't tend to do bulk ones. Sewing and I think welding have exceptions for full sets of clothing or armor"
Ash says, "Welding yes sewing no apparently"
zombilicious says to Ash, "No, no, I mean if I had 20 individual recipes."
Crayon states, "I think Zomb means a bulk number of recipes rather than 'bulk recipes'"
Ash inquires, "Oh, like submitting them for ideas?"
Ode claims, "We used to have outfits in sewing"
zombilicious states, "Instead of putting 20 on an Idea Note, how do you prefer that handled."
Evangeline says, "Outfits are great."
zombilicious says, "I felt bad putting in 2."
NotChloe inquires, "Heh Ash, since amenities is mostly AE syntax would you be happy with post apoc themed recipes for it being submit ic?"
Ash states, "Whatever way is easiest for you works fine for me. Ideas is handy because they're all in one spot, but dropping a pastebin link into the note works just as well."
zombilicious gives an OK sign.
Ash claims, "Pastebin, docs, whatever works."
Evangeline trails off, "Awww AE themed... misses AE sometimes"
zombilicious exclaims, "Cool. Now we all know!"
zombilicious pontificates, "That was all!"
Ash pontificates, "Okay!"
Rue questions, "Are there guidelines somewhere for formatting crafting ideas and such?"
NotChloe also considers a recipe for hairdressers scissors...
Evangeline muses, "I thought you said sinners, Chloe, I was about to go, huh?"
zombilicious states to Rue, "As far as I know, there aren't, though famine has posted a screenshot of a craft to the discord once."
Petal says, "I think just use normal scissors and restring them 😃"
zombilicious claims to Rue, "I tend to use <craft> SHOW # and INSPECT # to check how crafts already look and stuff and base it off that."
Ash says, "Hilariously the AE amenities tree was almost entirely me watching youtube videos for how to make things at home without tech, which was weird there but works pretty good here."
Petal nods at Ash.
zombilicious does a lot of 'Amish recipe' Googling.
Ash states, "Little adjustments to the recipes and they've been ready thus far"
NotChloe says, "I meant like a coded thing. Like do it to someome and they get a fresh haircut affect upping their attract or smth"
NotChloe wanted to do a weird post apoc charcoal eyeliner recipe.
Ash trails off, "That'd be a fun little soft_aff..."
Ash claims, "Haircut"
zombilicious claims, "We do have a Pvent about wanting one, so having it be something we can actually get done would be cool."
Petal says, "Similar to the curling irons that no longer work 😃"
Evangeline states, "Or even just a trim."
Ash says to Rue, "I can put a thing up on the ideas board with a template"
NotChloe says, "I am very biased as I made an alt with a hair stylist backstory... But yes letal."
Evangeline will never cut her hair, ever. I will die on this hill.
NotChloe says, "Petal*"
Murrmurs states, "Here for the clean post-apoc fade style."
Rue claims, "Soft affs for soft bois."
Rue nods at Ash.
zombilicious says to Ash, "That'd be very nice, plox."
Ash pontificates, "NEXTUP: Murrmurs!"
Murrmurs pontificates, "Paragraph incoming!"
Howdy folks! Staff oriented topic here, but is one which will I believe is good to address here:
There are going-ons in the world that players are seeking to act upon (Raiders!).
How should we go about organizing actions that requires implementor adjudication or face time, particularly when it comes to actions that would require a staffer to effectively DM them?
The immediate example that comes to mind was a decision made at the public meeting to send probing parties out toward the Raiders at some point in the future.
The scope of that sort of activity is more than simply walking to the edge of town and putting up an RPREQUEST---and is closer to being in line with a Plot or Story-type undertaking. Should this be coordinated via request board? Should there be more of a systemic approach? Should we not attempt to undertake activities that would take us out of the grid's sandbox at this point in time?
Some clarity about expectations, availability, and how to approach would be greatly appreciated! [Murrmurs]
Evangeline states, "Wow."
Evangeline claims, "Taht is a wall."
Ash exclaims, "I am probably OVER excited that somebody grabbed onto that pvent and has managed to make it an ongoing IC thing... SO!"
DeeTwo twitches her nose.
Ash states, "We have raid code built in. I need to polish it cosmetically, but it works and is functional. When the time comes, it's a single command entry and we can initiate it for you guys."
Petal claims, "Also something I've been wondering too."
Emberly pontificates, "Nice!"
Petal states, "Now I'm curious what raid code is."
NotChloe muses, "Are we sponsored by raid shadow legends?"
Evangeline claims, "I"m scared. rofl"
Famine states, "I think for the most part we'd like to avoid leaving the grid sandbox, myself. Not sure how Ash feels on that."
Ode states, "Sounds like a fragrance"
Ash states, "Baddies raid the free zone."
Evangeline claims, "Noooo"
Evangeline says, "Kill them all."
DeeTwo claims, "Yes"
DeeTwo states, "Raid us"
Petal states, "Love it."
DeeTwo claims, "I never leave the free zone"
Evangeline shaprekns sword
Emberly warrior screams!
Evangeline says, "LOL, that is the xina scream."
DeeTwo claims, "I want danger but my character is a coward"
NotChloe paints her nails.... AGRESSIVELY
Ash claims, "For going out to preemptively attack other communities of people, nothing in mind for that yet - I'd like to have areas that can be visited without staff oversight, just not there yet."
Evangeline says, "LOL chloe."
Ode nods at Ash.
Daniel states to Ash, "One option would be handling things as 'theater of the mind' as possible to cut down on work. Narrating just how far the group pushes out, what they see etc. rather than necessarily having to build all of it."
NotChloe questions, "Storyteller system for that ash?"
Murrmurs inquires, "The example is just the most recent question about how to do something that is similar to story but needs a staffer to ajudicate or run. The question that I have, more fundamentally, is: are there ways to organize staff-required group activities (scouting around and finding stuff), or is that not on the table?"
Andruid states, "I think a story would work well for what Murrmurs is asking."
Evangeline asks, "At least for the time being?"
Petal asks, "That gets into the plot system a bit, and that's no longer a thing?"
Ash nods, "That's the staff oversight aspect. Ideally it wouldn't be needed every time, but sometimes it's a lot better that way. ST system is a great option as well."
Murrmurs says, "Many would do ST just fine, but wondering for ST that would need staff for answers or not making up theme."
Andruid says, "All stories go through staff for approval."
zombilicious says, "How much in danger would people who do not leave be during a raid."
Ash states, "For the ST aspect you put the pitch into the story submission essentially"
zombilicious claims, "If we huddle in a storm shelter would we not get axed."
Andruid claims, "So that's your chance to hash it out anyway."
Ode nods at Andruid.
zombilicious is prepared to take her blankies and pillows down to the underground to avoid raiders.
Petal states, "So basically it'd be great fuel for an ST."
Digital has left the game.
Ash states to zombilicious, "Pretty good amount of danger. It'd be like being outside the camp. Huddling somewhere and wedging the door would be a good move."
zombilicious states, "Excellent."
Ash says, "But they might get in. Depends on the raid."
zombilicious steeples her fingers.
Murrmurs asks, "But if my character is part of a proposed ST, how to balance own interest with needing to be the one running it for the others?"
Andruid buys stock in doorstops.
Petal muses, "Can raiders use tent zips? 😃"
Ash grins at Andruid.
Evangeline wonders, "What about those who aren't logged in, would they be hurt too? Probably not but it's a good question"
Ode states, "You can't get injured when you're logged out."
Evangeline says, "No, but you are tehcnically there in a weird capacity thing."
Scarlet says, "Your charbit isn't in the world while dc'd (unless you're flagged with no disconnect in a danger zone) so I would assume no"
Petal claims, "I've seen people run STs that their characters are a main character of before."
Lance claims, "Poor raiders show up and everyone's asleep so they just leave 🙁"
Evangeline states, "LOL"
Ash says to Petal, "Nah, those would be good spots to hide as well. On the IC end, I'd assume they just don't care about small-fry spots and bypass them. The raiders remain in the camp until cleared out though, so folks who can fight would probably be pretty focused on defense to shield the non-combatants."
Gwen is idle.
Petal states, "Zips OP 😃"
Gwen has returned from AFK.
Andruid states, "You can absolutely involve your character in an ST. I've run entire STs around my own characters - sometimes my character isn't present at all."
Evangeline states, "Welp swords are good things."
Ode claims, "Good to note for folks that don't know, there is a cooldown for logging out after combat things."
Evangeline claims, "Yup. I had one the other day."
Petal says, "That cool down is often 5 hours."
Ash states, "SO! Tldr: Lots of ways to handle it, Murr. Raid system, ST system, just RPing it without Staff, RPing it with RPrequest and staff."
Crayon claims, "Yeah, I am often as not disallowed from logging out for half the day. :3"
Stitch is idle.
Ash says, "That is so freaking weird"
Stitch has returned from AFK.
NotChloe rp's without staff just to purposely exclude them like the bully she is.
Famine claims, "One thing I'd like to note on this - Please try to keep in mind that we're only just now getting zombies to a working state. We haven't even begun tuning Raider NPCs."
Emberly claims, "I'm gonna be honest, I hate the noquit cooldown. Haven't even engaged in PVP and it forces me to LD ;-;"
Famine claims, "So please try to take your time with this a bit."
Petal nods at Famine.
Eli states, "Roger roger"
Ode nods at Famine.
DeeTwo says, "My raider standards are so high"
Petal states, "Raiders come in, we all die. No catfish epilogues."
NotChloe claims, "Take our time? Good, means I dont have to rush for the car light scavving."
Evangeline states, "Omg, yay"
Ash states, "It SHOULD be 40 seconds max. I even added a check to see if they already have the 40 seconds before adding the 40 seconds. There is something sneaky doing this that I can't find"
Gwen states, "Catfish epilogues only."
Evangeline scavenges car doors.
Mutters says, "Speaking of haircuts, there's no shaving razors on grid, so I'm growing a full on wizard beard"
Evangeline states, "Omg oh my god"
Ode states, "I'll start logging cooldowns when I notice them."
NotChloe inquires, "You could tool a weld trinket as a razor?"
Mutters claims, "You could or shave with a knife"
Evangeline says, "I think mine lasted at least a minute, but I didn't really pay that much attention"
Andruid says, "I also do not mind running stories for people who have ideas but don't want to control what happens."
NotChloe says, "Shave with a sword"
DeeTwo says, "Idg the catfish meming"
Ash states to Ode, "Thank you"
Eli catfishes Sarah
Ode nods at Ash.
Ash wonders, "Is this noquit timers or wary timers?"
Sarah claims to DeeTwo, "IM SO GLAD YOU ASKED"
Petal says, "No quit"
Famine says to DeeTwo, "It's just an ongoing joke from last game."
zombilicious says, "Crayon has had some obscene NoQuit timers."
Petal claims, "We're safe, as Mystry isn't here and he doesn't read meeting logs. nods"
Sarah nods at DeeTwo.
Ash trails off, "I wonder if we even need the noquit when wary is already working and not going ballistic with 5 hour timers..."
Petal says, "Mine got to like 3 hours."
Crayon states, "Every time you kill a zombie it adds 15 minutes to your NoQuit I think."
Eli nods at petal
Jennifer wanders into the vicinity. [login]
DeeTwo says, "AE people are weird"
Petal nods at Crayon.
Andruid says, "That sounds like a bug."
Ode states, "Noquit is kinda ick to me anyways."
Jennifer questions, "How are you all still here? isn't usually an hour?"
Evangeline says of course she's weird, she misses her powder blue sportspod.
Crayon claims, "And it seems to stack. I've had it get up to 5-6 hours. I did bug report it awhile back, idr what happened."
Ash claims, "Added "destroy noquit with a hammer" to todo"
Petal states, "I get why we have no quit for like PC Death"
Petal claims, "But maaaybe not needed for zombie squish"
Ash nods at Petal.
Andruid says, "Noquit was created with PvP in mind, most likely."
Murrmurs claims, "Oooh yeah, the 5 hour noquit is fun."
Andruid says, "It definitely doesn't make sense as a cumulative thing in response to PvE combat."
Evangeline claims, "Someone said there was like a keepalive thing? Every time I idle, I disconnect anyway."
Ash nods in agreement.
Ash declares, "Alright! Last on the list iiiiis: NotChloe!"
NotChloe trails off, "I said my thing in player heartbeat like I said I would... flops"
Ash says, "(one more after this)"
Ash claims, "OH."
Ash pontificates, "Then next up iiiis: Sarah!"
Sarah wonders, "So, seasonal planting cranked up - what if harvesting from plants happened much more frequently/abundantly, but plants died in their off-seasons and had to be replanted (gameplay more like stardew or story of seasons)? and we had to rely more on turning food items into preserved forms (with the same generics so they can be used in crafting) in order to keep them through the winter?"
NotChloe claims, "But I'll take this time to say Ash smells."
Ash states, "NO NC"
zombilicious claims, "I like that idea, Sarah."
Murrmurs says, "I like Sarah's idea."
NotChloe beams innocently.
Misty claims, "I like that."
Ode nods at Sarah.
Ash grins at NotChloe.
Ash trails off, "I like that too..."
Evangeline says, "I do too, stardew rocks, by the way"
Mutters claims, "If so, then welding for tin cans would be a cool craft"
zombilicious claims, "I've noticed that it can be hard for people to harvest things as it is, with so many people who harvest."
Murrmurs claims, "Stardew Simulator: The Darkest Timeline"
Ruby is idle.
Famine states, "That could be a cool ration and/or seasonal time sink, having to get new seeds."
Famine claims, "If you didn't preserve enough from prior season"
zombilicious says, "And now that chutneys and jams can be substituted for fresh fruit/vegetables in most recipes, it'd be beneficial."
Ash claims, "I think this would be pretty simple to do too."
Petal states, "I like this idea a lot."
Andruid says, "I like the idea of things dying off, yeah."
Ash eyes Andruid closely.
Ash declares, "Oh cool!"
Evangeline states, "And it would give you more planting room to plant winter plants."
zombilicious declares, "That also!"
Ash states, "Andruid is my 'am I going too far with lifesim' mirror"
Famine says, "I just wanna see someone with a pantry full of strawberry preserves because they could only plant them over winter."
Ode submits that Sarah is most excellent.
Misty claims, "Really good idea. Also love the harvesting more frequently idea."
Petal still doesn't like washing and drying machines for clothes >_>
zombilicious claims to Ash, "Only once you code in menstruation. Then you've gone too far."
Ash says, "If you look deeply into the Andruid you find your answer"
Rue says, "Now I'm said I didn't make a gardener if we're turning into zombie stardew mud."
Andruid says, "No, this makes sense. Many seeds are scavengable anyway."
Evangeline questions, "Oh god please no real life game periods?"
Sarah glitters at Ode
Evangeline remembers Firen and shutters.
Jennifer inquires, "The thing is like... would that work? As is, harvesting anything is difficult, since... everything is communal, and people harvest all the time. So I don't know that we'd have anything preserved?"
Ash states, ""Will we have real life periods?" Look into the Andruid, and you will find that the answer is "no.""
zombilicious says, "We don't right now, but we also only have winter plants planted aside from the tomatoes."
Scarlet says, "No ingame bathroom stuff (unless it's related to some kind of sickness and goes away) and no periods, please. xD"
Evangeline smirks at Ash.
Andruid claims, "RP it if you want, people."
Murrmurs shakes the 8-ball andruid
Rue says, "They said they're adding player gardens, right? Seems like it won't be a problem with more growing space."
Ash grins at Andruid.
Famine claims, "It'd be doable. Time is 3:1, so a season would effectively be an entire month OOC."
Ash has transferred Spanner. [OOC]
Ash gives a little hand-drawn map of the Free Zone to Spanner.
zombilicious appreciates no in-game bodily functions.
Crayon states, "Oh, right. Having the clothesline and washboard for sale at Halsey's would be nice."
Evangeline says, "Ooh"
Nappist states, "Gree with zomb"
Evangeline says, "Com eon communially wash your clothes."
Daniel trails off, "Yeah... That sort of stuff is best left RPed at each individual players discretion"
Andruid claims, "Or craftable."
Ash says, "Okay, will take a look at plants dying off in seasons not applicable to their survival"
Sarah states to Crayon, "You literally got me to agree icly to do your laundry and dont take me up on it"
zombilicious claps merrily.
Misty muses, "And potentially having more frequent harvests?"
Sarah nods at Misty.
Ash states, "Yeah I'll ramp those up 3x."
Crayon claims, "Because consign Spaghetti."
Ode asks, "I need to go lie down because sitting hurts. Ash will you yeet me gently?"
Misty declaims, "YAY!"
Famine says to Ash, "Time for us to make Farmers and make a parsnip field."
Ash waves to Ode.
Ode has been transferred out by Ash. [OOC]
Sarah states, "Parsnips"
zombilicious states, "We don't have parsnips in the list, sorry."
zombilicious claims, "I am very familiar with the list."
Famine wonders to Ash, "I'll run around killing zombies pretending they're the mines under the mountain while you plant. Deal?"
Ash grins at zombilicious.
Murrmurs claims, "Not to be confused with Parsnips' field."
Ash claims to Famine, "This is the way"
NotChloe starts writing a note. (This is an OOC action)
Evangeline claims, "Don't go into the mushroom field, Farmer maggot is there."
zombilicious says, "Gotta use turnips instead."
NotChloe aborts writing a note.
NotChloe starts writing a note. (This is an OOC action)
Famine says, "Are beats. I forget."
Emberly says, "There's a feature in Stardew that allows monsters to invade when its dark, very scary"
Famine states, "Because I could eat pickled beats all day every day."
Sarah nods at Famine.
Evangeline declaims, "Omg really/ I didn' know that!"
Famine claims, "*beets"
Andruid questions, "Do we have gardens outside the barricade?"
zombilicious claims, "I've made pickled eggs, but not pickled beets because that's a different recipe."
Misty says, "One."
Ash claims, "Here and there."
zombilicious states, "I know of one where I've been nurturing things."
Misty states, "Maybe more <.<"
Ruby has returned from AFK.
Ash says, "Okay! I think we're ready to wrap up, wanted to shoot out a big thank you to everyone for just... being great. It makes doing this really fulfilling, so wanted to acknowledge it."
zombilicious claims, "It is my garden, I love my garden."
Evangeline states, "They are probably overgrown, though"
Petal says, "I love beetroot."
Andruid pontificates, "Thank you for the meeting!"
Ash declares, "Cheers all!"
zombilicious questions, "No snacks, just maps?"
Nappist claims, "It's been sick. Thanks for hosting."
Evangeline claims, "Thank you Ash1"
Petal pontificates, "Thanks!"
Spanner has been transferred out by Ash. [OOC]
Jennifer has been transferred out by Ash. [OOC]
Lance has been transferred out by Ash. [OOC]
Scarlet has been transferred out by Ash. [OOC]
Heck has been transferred out by Ash. [OOC]
Stitch has been transferred out by Ash. [OOC]
Ruby has been transferred out by Ash. [OOC]
Gwen has been transferred out by Ash. [OOC]
Andruid has been transferred out by Ash. [OOC]
Jamie has been transferred out by Ash. [OOC]
Rue has been transferred out by Ash. [OOC]
Crayon has been transferred out by Ash. [OOC]
Evangeline has been transferred out by Ash. [OOC]
DeeTwo has been transferred out by Ash. [OOC]
zombilicious has been transferred out by Ash. [OOC]
Ash has transferred Gus.
Jaeger has been transferred in by Ash. [OOC]